Sleepweaver masks

[James @ Intus]

And yet cpap.com will charge 71 dollars to send it to France from the US and eu-pap.co.uk charge 10 pounds, (about 9 pounds too much) and charge well above the 99 dollars US which cpap.com charge. There's the con! The mask, reputedly, works well for most people.

We'll happily charge you 1 pound for delivery and put a stamp on it. If it doesn't get there, it's your loss. The £9 pounds allows us to insure it sufficiently and put it on a service that will a) get there and b) if it doesn't, it allows us to put in a claim, get our money back and then we can send you a new one without you or us being out of pocket.

Weight is one thing with posting, as you probably do know, value is another.

Would you send 20 £50 notes in an envelope 2nd Class? It's light! You get my point. It's simply not a con.

[DumfriesDik]

i ordered the sleep weaver yesterday and it arrived just now. i had to sign for it and the postage i thought was reasonable.

i also post stuff out from internet sales and as james says, not everything gets through. sales by internet are covered by legislation and the seller would want to make sure items that do go missing are covered by insurance.

postage is not just about the cost of the stamp. wake up and smell the coffee

[JayBee]

Please could someone direct me to a good source to by the waterproof "white medical tape"? Whilst I haven't yet had to replace it, I would be frustrated to have the tape degrade whilst washing the mask and not have spare to put it right, ready for use.

I have tried all of my local pharmacies and none of them stock anything other than the paper based surgical tape.

[symmit]

Please could someone direct me to a good source to by the waterproof "white medical tape"? Whilst I haven't yet had to replace it, I would be frustrated to have the tape degrade whilst washing the mask and not have spare to put it right, ready for use.

I have tried all of my local pharmacies and none of them stock anything other than the paper based surgical tape.

3M Micropore, or [[insert brand here]] microporous tape works for me, only stripped mine down once though.

£2.09 for the boots brand, but I got mine from my local Asda

[James @ Intus]

Please could someone direct me to a good source to by the waterproof "white medical tape"? Whilst I haven't yet had to replace it, I would be frustrated to have the tape degrade whilst washing the mask and not have spare to put it right, ready for use.

I have tried all of my local pharmacies and none of them stock anything other than the paper based surgical tape.

I'd also recommend Micropore, like here on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=micropore&x=0&y=0

Five meters will last a long time.

Some people use it to tape their mouth shut during the night.

[deplume]

We'll happily charge you 1 pound for delivery and put a stamp on it. If it doesn't get there, it's your loss. The £9 pounds allows us to insure it sufficiently and put it on a service that will a) get there and b) if it doesn't, it allows us to put in a claim, get our money back and then we can send you a new one without you or us being out of pocket.

Weight is one thing with posting, as you probably do know, value is another.

Would you send 20 £50 notes in an envelope 2nd Class? It's light! You get my point. It's simply not a con.

Nor would I charge £1500 for those 20 £50 notes.

Price is one thing with purchasing,as you probably do know, value is another.

Cpap.com charge $99 for the mask and $70 for shipping = $169
eu-pap.co.uk $151 for the mask and $16 for shipping= $167
Price from the wholesaler nobody knows...
Hey nice profit margin but if you are paying £9 to insure an item with a value of $99 you are frittering your "hard earned" money away.

[deplume]

<puts fluid dynamics engineering head on> actually it is a dynamic not a static system as the fluid (air) is moving, therefore the static (measured) head declines the further you get away from the pressure source, so the pressure at the mask end of an 8' tube will be less than 6' one.

Hi Fredx,
I'm no engineer but used to fly helicopters which use both dynamic and static sources to work out speed.
Surely if one puts a hand over the tube, however long, the situation involves only static pressure and the same would go for a well fitting mask with no leaks assuming one exists.
Surely the idea of the CPAP machine is to raise the static pressure to keep the airways open, not to push a jet of dynamic air into a pair of lungs.
Would that not mean that the machines providing a choice between a six feet and a ten feet tube deliver the same static pressure at the end of either?
Or would it perhaps have to work harder to raise the static pressure in the increased amount of air in the longer tube?
This, I must point out, is a question, not carping or criticising.
Regards
Derek

[James @ Intus]

Nor would I charge £1500 for those 20 £50 notes.

I suppose you don't buy iPods etc. either, or use solicitors, or drink coke. Anyway, that's a whole different topic. Let's keep this about the mask.

The SleepWeaver is enjoying phenomenal success and it's great that the CPAP Forum pioneers here share their detailed findings, tips and tricks as well as criticism. It's also been great to have people here contact their clinics, we've shipped over 100 samples across the UK to clinics for their own verification.

In the vast majority of cases, it has been a stunning success for people, a real shift in CPAP experience. Inevitably, for some it didn't quite work out but luckily that has been a tiny minority.

To anybody thinking of trying this mask, we're actually, as an exception, offer a money-back guarantee for the first few months of this year. If you really can't get it to fit, return it for a product refund (not the postage). During Feb '11, this will definitely remain the case. After that, best ask us first to confirm. This allows you to have a go without significant monetary risk.

[symmit]

To anybody thinking of trying this mask, we're actually, as an exception, offer a money-back guarantee for the first few months of this year. If you really can't get it to fit, return it for a product refund (not the postage). During Feb '11, this will definitely remain the case. After that, best ask us first to confirm. This allows you to have a go without significant monetary risk.

Is this offer open to people outside of the forum? I told a cpap friend about the sleepweaver (she has a Zest) and she wasn't sure about it but liked the idea, but the £100 would be good investment but too much risk for her.

[Fredxx]

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Surely if one puts a hand over the tube, however long, the situation involves only static pressure and the same would go for a well fitting mask with no leaks assuming one exists...

Ah, but masks are designed to "leak", otherwise you would just get a co2 build up. Under normal operations, masks are designed to leak a predictable amount (actually exhausts, rather than leaks to be technical), this being typically between 15 - 30 litres of air a minute depending on the pressure, so dynamic fluid mechanics it is. Delivery may be in the form of a 16cm H2O static head, but it is delivered down the tube to the mask as a dynamic flow, meaning the static head delivered at the mask end will be slightly lower than the static head at the machine, or the air just wouldn't flow.

[Barely Awake]

On the subject of the microporous surgical tape, I bought mine from Morrisons supermarket, it is a 5m x2.5 cm roll at a little over a £. But I also bought a roll of the same on a dispenser from my local pharmacy, it is made by 'safe+sound' and cost £1.49. The beauty of the dispenser is that you can apply the tape evenly one handed, the other hand holding the connector and the mask cloth in proximity. There is also no need for scissors of course as the dispenser cuts the tape where required.
It appears the cheaper roll will fit the dispenser when it runs out.

[James @ Intus]

Is this offer open to people outside of the forum? I told a cpap friend about the sleepweaver (she has a Zest) and she wasn't sure about it but liked the idea, but the £100 would be good investment but too much risk for her.

It is indeed. Of course, we'd expect people to consider this *seriously*. If you know you can't breathe through your nose, it's not worth a try. If people are at their wits end with traditional masks and can breathe through their nose, then this is a good option to try.

[JayBee]

The various tapes mentioned here, are they waterproof? I put my Sleepweaver through the washing machine and think I need waterproof one and I am not certain the paper based tapes will stand up to that.

Would this be better? Granted there is enough there to tape down Gulliver but it is more about whether Transpore is better than Micropore as it is plastic based.

[James @ Intus]

The specs look good on that Transpore, I'd say, give it a try and let us know how it compares.

Seems like there are some specifically waterproof surgical tape brands out there, which could indeed be a good idea. Mind though whether it's latext free etc. if that's a concern for you.

http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=waterproof+surgical+tape

[symmit]

Used to use a lot of transpore (my son was fed with an NG tube for the first year of his life, bacame a bit of a dab hand at inserting them...) - never found it particularly sticky and its stiffness makes it a bit awkward.

Micropore is (I believe) Rayon based, it's described as "paper" due to its feel and properties but it's a manufactured fibre and reasonably water resistant.

It's working fine on my sleepweaver!