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  • #61
    Sleep Apnoea and the HGV Driver

    Hi Ian,

    Thank you for your input, it's much appreciated.

    You were very lucky indeed to get sorted and back at work so quickly. The average length of time is around two years from first visit to diagnosis, which is dreadful. And that's before any treatment has begun. This unsatisfactory delay is central to my campaign.

    The idea of the tired driver taking with him a printed copy of his Epworth Sleepiness Scale and the Snoring Questionnaire, already filled in, should prompt the GP into giving the guy a referral at his first visit. This is what needs to happen.

    For the DVLA, OSA is only a tiny proportion of the total applications they receive for consideration by their medical unit. So, in their view, what makes it so special that it needs to be fast-tracked? In my opinion, it will need a change in the law before this happens.

    As I understand the medicals, you will need to undergo the D4 every five years; the annual medical because you have OSA will mean the DVLA requires proof from your sleep-clinic that you are compliant and your condition is under control. It is only the OSA they're interested in, nothing else, so a report from your consultant should be enough.

    The D4 itself is something of a nonsense. You can take the D4 wherever you like, and there are any number of medical practices featuring a specialisation on this sector, and offering low-cost medicals into the bargain. (If you Google 'drivers medicals' you will see what I mean). You do not need to see your own GP.

    There is nothing to stop a driver taking the cheapest medical. Most likely the doctor does not know the patient, does not have his medical history to hand and simply goes through the D4 from start to finish.

    The D4 asks two questions: No.1 'Is there a history of, or evidence of, sleep apnoea syndrome? No.2 'Is there any other medical condition causing excessive daytime sleepiness?' This is a face-to-face consultation between a doctor and patient who have probably never met before; it is a medical exam., not a diagnostic session.

    The doc. is relying on the driver's honesty and truthfulness, yet the driver needs to pass his D4 to carry on driving. So, when the doc. asks him if he has sleep apnoea, what is the most likely response? 'No, not me, doc.' He's probably never even heard of it.

    The only time a driver is going to come across the term 'sleep apnoea' is with his D4 medical: when he first applies for a Class 2 licence and when he sits the five-yearly medical.

    Each of us, regardless of trade or profession, is responsible for our own health.

    In certain sectors, every help is given to an employee seeking healthcare or advice: in the transport industry the very opposite appears to be the case. No-one is compelled to become a truck-driver, so having chosen that career, it's a matter of taking the rough with the smooth, the advantages and disadvantages, good times and bad. But the transport industry should be more willing to take responsibility for the health and welfare of those who make the industry what it is.


    Richard

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    • #62
      Maskmans Wife

      [QUOTE=AAAMedical;16798]@ previous posts,

      This info may help direct those who have questions about sleep apnea dealing with commercial drivers of any kind.
      Many Commercial truck drivers want to take care of the problem, but don't know where and how.
      This all sounds very nice and correct but the truth is the employers are still in the dinasour age.My husband did all the tests is only borderline sleep apneo
      informed work and dvla.It took 5 months from diadgnosis to having reply from Dvla to say he could return to work as hgv driver.Work wanted him to see Occupational health who ignored all the info from Dvla saying he could drive and have asked him to stay off while they decide if he has a job.Union fighting it but they can lay him off due to length of absence.Want proof from DVLA that he is ok to drive.He is cpap compliant and his doctors are all happy
      but he will soon be unemployed for being honest.It is all political rubbish!!!

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      • #63
        Hi Maskman's wife,

        This is precisely the issue.

        A commercial driver with OSA is over seven times more likely to have an accident than a driver who hasn't. An accident caused by a sleeping driver is likely to be very serious, because there will be no avoiding action. But a driver is generally afraid to tell the boss, because he knows he will have to surrender his licence, and his job goes with it.

        On the other hand, the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Bill of 2007 clearly states that a company (not exclusively transport) must take responsibility for all its processes, manufacturing, whatever, that no-one is put at risk by the company's activities. And the company exercises a DUTY OF CARE towards its employees to ensure they are not put at risk either.

        So, all the staff at XYZ Widget Company know Fred the delivery driver has OSA, but he's left to get on with it; he can't risk losing his job he has a family to feed. Until one day, trying to get to Birmingham to make a delivery before the customer shuts, he doesn't see the tailback on the motorway, cos he's dropped off to sleep . . .

        Fred's boss holds up his hands, disclaiming any knowledge of his driver's health. 'I didn't know.'

        Richard

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        • #64
          safer surely if tested and treated

          the case is really who cares,rather than accept driver has been tested ,treated,accessed by Dvla and ok'd to drive ,lets be careful ,supposed he has a relapse.There is talk of testing all drivers,so we sack all those who are positive.So you have unsafe drivers who wont be tested.Or safe drivers who thanks to CPAP are getting all their sleep ,have been to specialists ,doctors and DVLA medical checks.I know who is safer.No better to plead ignorance,there are drivers out there with other medical conditions
          but they are not treated like lepers.I know my husband did all the right things,he is a safe good driver,clean licence and he wishes he kept his mouth shut.He is really onlt borderline.Does not qualify for disability as he passed tests,but work is going to disqualify him on the grounds of time off ,rather than accept a risk ,when half their other drivers are probably hiding their tiredness and taking risks .Political garbage and no one cares!!!!

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          • #65
            A very useful meeting this morning with my MP, Mark Pritchard to discuss the Sleep Apnoea and the HGV driver' campaign.

            He could not believe there is a health disorder that causes its victims to 'wake-up' 300 times a night!

            I left him with the salient documents he needs. He tells me an Early Day Motion is not the way to proceed, so has promised to raise the matter with Mike Penning, the Transport Minister who will be in touch with the RHA and FTA.

            Making progress now - watch this space!

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            • #66
              Bless! Someone who believes politicians will make a difference, change things, put themselves out, make an effort!

              Is yours another ex-public school boy, Richard - not the vaguest idea how most of us live?

              TF
              Respironics REMstar 'M' Series APAP.
              Resmed Mirage 'Quattro FX' Full Face Mask with a 'Quattro' headgear.

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              • #67
                hi maskmans wife,
                i don't know if this helps but here goes.
                when i informed my employers at the time that i was fit to return to work and that the dvla had OKed it they asked me to supply in writing proof from the consultant at the sleep clinic and the dvla so that they could check with thier insurers. The dvla e:mailed them direct but the consultant would only send an e:mail to me which I then forwarded on to them.It took a week for them to sort it out then I was back to work.
                I have since change jobs and when I told my new employers that I had sleep apnoea (at the interview stage "over the phone") they got back to me the same day and said that there was no problem with thier insurers.
                I don't know who your husband works for but going by my own experiance there should't be any problem in him returning to work and if he feels as good as I do now that I am using CPAP he will probably be the most alert driver they have on thier fleet lol.
                Also if he does do nights out is he aware that you can get a battery pack so that he can use the mask in his wagon. My own primary care trust funded mine but you can buy one (they are not cheap though about £400 I think)

                I hope this helps and good luck

                Ian

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                • #68
                  Whaddya mean 'Bless'?

                  This is the only MP we have around here, and faced with a choice of either chaining myself to Tower Bridge or spending a few minutes explaining this to one's MP, I know which I prefer: his chances of bringing the campaign to the attention of the Transport Minister are far greater than mine.

                  An Early Day Motion is a complete waste of time and money; MPs embark upon these to somehow justify their existence, and there are MPs with literally thousands to their name, all of them a total waste.

                  My own MP is certainly not someone I can take to, but that doesn't matter: he's the conduit to people with influence. If I were enthusiastic about the plight of animals in foreign zoos, I would be his best friend; commercial-drivers who wake 300 times during the night and have to be fitted with a face-mask to stop them doing so, well that's not going to ring his bell particularly.

                  But he has promised me; I have his email address in Parliament, his phone-number, the constituency chairman and secretary are both friends of mine. If he doesn't do what he has promised . . .

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                  • #69
                    Sleep apneoa and Hgv

                    Thanks Ian
                    The Doctor has sent OHA all the paperwork.Unfortunatlely licence renewal clashed at the same time,so now they are wanting to get all the other test results in too.Just a waiting game .Will certainly make sure we get letters to confirm all the tests are completed etc.My husband actually works for the council so another dinasour organisation.These things all take time which they use against you.Make sure you are fit to return but dont stay off too long either.,but we will tell you when we think you can.Doctor forced to recommend desk duties haha to try and get him back while this is sorted.
                    Just makes more ststistics for Richards campaign.:

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                    • #70
                      Hiya everyone,Earlier on in the year i reported on the Forum that i had all my licences revoked by the DVLA as i had been diagnosed as having sleep apnea. In august after lots of form filling and phone calls i got my car entitlement back,and today i can inform you all after a SIX month struggle i have now also got back my HGV entitlement back although the licences only last a year and i asume i will have to go back to my GP and have another medical which cost me back in august £120.My main complaint with whats happend to me is the time the whole process takes!!!! But i do agree that safety must come first!!!!

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                      • #71
                        hi again maskmans wife
                        just to let you know the dvla already had my licence for my 5yr medical when all my problems started and I was driving on a cover letter from them. So assuming there are no other medical problems with your husband and the dvla see fit to renew his licence the council really havn't got a leg to stand on as he would be able to state that as far as the doctors and the dvla are concerned he is fit to return to normal duties and hopefully his union will go to town on them if they try to stop him returning to work

                        and while I am here
                        Dirty Trucker 68 if you read this my new licence is due up in January and as far as I am aware all that is required is proof that I am still in compliance for the sleep apnoea the main medical remains every 5yrs

                        but you never know with these people so I will let you know nearer the time lol
                        bye for now

                        Ian

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                        • #72
                          Cheers Gj,I hope that will apply to me next year.Just like to add although ive been granted my entitlements back i still have not received my licences.I think the DVLA should try and sort this department out.Its been Four weeks+

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                          • #73
                            hgv driver

                            Hi all
                            as a Hgv driver I can give you my story

                            I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and within 3 days given a cpap machine,which then classed me as responding to treatment.DVLA say I am to have a medical every year.My other conditions include CHD type 2 diabetes and I have a pacemaker.At the age of 50 I still see my self driving 44 tonnes for 15 plus years.So for any drivers sleep apnea isnt the end of the road for your driving,hope this is of so help to some one
                            cheers Porky

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                            • #74
                              DVLA revoked my license in March.
                              I have been compliant with the CPAP since 1st July but still no license!
                              Beware of telling DVLA anything.

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                              • #75
                                All though having got my licence back its easy for me to say,i think people should tell the DVLA of their sleeping disorder for the sake of road safety!!!! Im sure if your fully compliant you will get your licence back soon(hopefully).But when i read the devastating stories of people being killed by truckers falling asleep i fully understand why the DVLA look at it very carefully.

                                All the best DT68

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